Cam Phaser failure info

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  1. bravo3eco

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    Does anyone know what percentage of engines have a phaser failure?
    Has anyone had more than one failure on same engine?
    Anyone know the cost to replace them, if truck off warranty?
    Am trying to understand how common the problem is in relation to number of Raptors on the road.
    (ps my 2017 phasers just failed at 35,000 miles)
     
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    48k miles and going in to the second set
     
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    This has a very high failure rate among all 3.5 ecoboost vehicles. Sadly, it has been an issue on these since the original 2010. Ford has released all kinds of changes and updates to fix, but nothing has worked. With this said, repeat failures are common.
    Parts and labor for this is $4k each time it happens.
    This is reason alone to not own this truck while it has the 3.5 ecoboost in it. This is why everyone wants to go back to an easier, more reliable v8. The 6.2 NEVER had this poor of a track record for reliability.
     
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    Me again. As I am waiting for parts, dealer has let me continue driving the truck.
    It had an oil change, and now the phaser rattle has stopped.
    Not sure if the noise can be intermittent or not?

    ps Previous oil change was done by Ford dealer so I not sure if issue could have been type of oil as i used a different dealer,
     
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    You still have the problem. Oil type and filter type don't make a difference.... It is a part design issue in the system. New cam phasers are CD parts, and should probably get the new cylinder heads that have the updated cam phaser solenoid housings.
     
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    I wonder if the cylinder heads are included in the "new" version of the cam phaser fix. If so, I'd guess that repair bill just doubled, at least.
     
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    I don't know. Scary part is that trucks with the newest design cam phasers (CD) are still failing. It is an inherent design issue with this particular engine. They have tried since 2010 to fix!
     
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    Cam Phaser (non)issue explained ...

     
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    Oh man, those cam phaser issues are devastatin . I better dump my Raptor now.
     
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    And here I am about to pull the trigger on a 2018 with < 30k. Is this common enough you guys would recommend holding off util there’s a solid solution?
     
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    Dude, it's a nonissue. Even the tech in the video said that.
     
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    Yep. I’ve dug in more and agree. I couldn’t take one video as a decision-making justification.

    Thanks for the response!
     
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    Four 3.5 Ecoboosts in my family, all SCrews, two 2012's with around 100,000 on the clock, one 2013 with 130,000, and one '19 Raptor with 15,000. No issues on any of these engines. We all change our oil at 5,000 miles, use Motorcraft Filters and full synthetic oil.
     
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    Oil is the life blood of the Raptor and the key to avoiding failures.

    The engine oil lubricates the turbos. The engine oil (pressure) adjusts the Cam Phaser. Ford is a for profit company and to save costs and increase profit, they don't use the best oil filter or the best oil in the Raptor straight from the factory.

    I've had ZERO issues with my 2019 built in April, but as a pilot, I understand the importance of oil, specifically Synthetic oil in keeping a high performance engine alive.

    At 500 miles I changed the factory oil and oil filter. I use Mobil 1 Annual Protection Ultimate Full Synthetic, designed for vehicles with turbo chargers. I also change my oil at least every 5000 miles and no more. I use Mobil 1 Extended Performance Oil filters.

    I've seen several YouTube videos of oil filters cut open and the Motorcraft filters have very poor quality control especially in the even spacing of the filter media which affects filtering efficiency and effectiveness.

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    Mobil 1 Annual Protection oils are recommended for all types of modern vehicles, including high-performance, turbocharged, supercharged, multi-valve and fuel-injected engines that are found in passenger cars, SUVs, light vans and trucks.

    Mobil 1 Annual Protection 5W-30 meets or exceeds the requirements of:

    · ILSAC GF-5

    · API SN Plus Resource Conserving, SN Plus, SN-RC, SN, SM, SL, SJ

    · ACEA A5/B5

    · Ford WSS-M2C946-A, WSS-M2C946-B1 (2019 Raptor Spec)

    What makes Synthetic oil so special? Why does it even exist?

    Synthetic oil was developed before the Second World War and saw widespread use with the invention of the jet engine. The jet engines high engine temperatures and RPM's opened the way for the first wide scale use of synthetic oils. Meanwhile, development of automotive oils continued, and in 1975, the first commercially available synthetic motor oil was launched.

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    Why You Should Use Synthetic Oil
    Modern synthetic oils are compatible with all engines, provide better engine protection, and improve performance due to their lower friction characteristics. Selection of the right synthetic oil is easy if simple guidelines are followed:

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    Provided the oil complies with the above requirements, it will be compatible. Bear in mind the use of synthetic oil is mandatory in many modern vehicles, especially turbo-charged models, and the use of non-synthetic oil could cause engine damage.

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    I have had ZERO issues with my 2019 Raptor and I haven't had to add a quart of oil because I'm not loosing it being burned up in the turbos. And believe me, I DRIVE my raptor.
     
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